Parents have no right to end fetus’s life, says Görmez
 
 
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19 June 2013 Wednesday
 
 
 
 
 
 

Parents have no right to end fetus’s life, says Görmez

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Religious Affairs Directorate head Mehmet Görmez (Photo: Cihan)
4 June 2012 /TODAY’S ZAMAN
Head of Turkey’s Religious Affairs Directorate Mehmet Görmez on Monday added his voice to ongoing debates on the issue of abortion in the country by saying parents have no authority to end the life of a fetus as it has its own right to life.

Görmez shared his views on the much-debated abortion issue during a meeting of provincial muftis in Sakarya. Stating that parents do not have “ownership” of the fetus in Islamic belief, he added that they do not have the right to end its life. “So, a pregnant mother does not have the right and the authority to say: ‘The body is mine, I can use it however I want. I can both have a baby and get rid of it if I want.’ The mother is not the real owner of the fetus she carries. She cannot arbitrarily kill it. She is entrusted with taking care of it, protecting it and keeping it alive,” he said.

However, Görmez said that contrary to Catholic teaching, Islam sides with the mother when a decision needs to be made between protecting the mother and the fetus, underlining that Islam attaches much importance to protecting the mother’s health. “I also want to point to a mistake many have been making on this issue. It is a gross injustice to handle this issue as a women’s issue as men have always held the greatest responsibility in this issue throughout history. And women have been those who suffered the most and have been victimized,” he said.

Discussions on abortion have dominated Turkey’s agenda for the past week after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan sparked outrage among women’s rights groups, opposition lawmakers and media critics when he delivered two fiery speeches in which he attacked abortion and caesarean births as “secret” plots designed to stall Turkey’s economic growth. He referred to abortion as “murder” and added that no one has the right to approve abortions.

Görmez also noted that abortion is banned in Islam and seen as murder, underlining that it is not a contraceptive measure. In further remarks, he noted that special cases when the mother’s life is at risk, when the baby was conceived through rape or when the fetus has serious health problems should be discussed by theologians, psychologists, psychiatrists and experts of forensic medicine before a final decision is made to end the life of the fetus.

The government says it is working on a bill that plans to decrease the time in which abortions can legally be performed from 10 weeks -- reportedly to a four weeks into a pregnancy. Abortion up to the 10th week after conception has been legal in Turkey since 1983. Görmez’s statements drew criticism from the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) later in the day. CHP deputy group chairman Akif Hamzaçebi called on Görmez to think about the reasons that urge women to have abortions, saying that women do not undergo the procedure casually.

“If Mr. President wants to give a message to the legislators, this is wrong. No woman has an abortion without powerful reasons. There must be reasons for it. Before there was no such problem [regarding abortion] in Turkey: It suddenly came to Turkey’s agenda. I wonder whether there have been women for thousands of years who were punished by religion for resorting to this method,” Hamzaçebi said.

 
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RECEP So who better to decide if a woman is in any condition to carry and raise a child BUT THAT WOMAN!!!! Yeah, I guess you didn't wish to respond to my "off topic" comment since you probably don't have a bunch of unwanted children living under your roof. The comment by the Imam is really not sho...
Me
@Izmir Ted, yea, the woman is the irresponsible one because she gets pregnant, men have nothing to do with a pregnancy and only women should think about birth control. In most cases, it was the men who forced themselves on the women in the first place, via rape, pressure to leave them, etc. Your vie...
Aliyah
Abortion is a very controversial topic, and I do not know why Mr. Erdogan stepped into it. I think his focus should be on eliminating all child poverty in Turkey, and on making sure that every child goes to school. We can discuss abortion when we get there.
Shams
@Izmir Ted, It is so hard to understand because we disagree - but why is so hard to understand that not everybody agrees with your etic or religion? Does it make you doubt your own choices - I think it does! Ps. I think that almost 100% of the MEN that are against abortion will ask the lady to get...
kaspe
Izmir Ted, you don't really think that every pregnancy happens because the partners have chosen for it to happen, do you? How about a 13 year old mother who got pregnant because she didn't know any better, or a mentally deranged mother who was taken an advantage of, or an extremely poor mother who c...
Baris
Recep, yes I understand. This is not an issue we will resolve here, because people have strong views about it. And that is not a bad thing, because we are talking about human life. My take on it is that it is not just the baby’s life, mother’s life must also be considered. Although Mr Görmez's comme...
Baris
@izmir ted: what kind of pre-mediaval mentality do you have? That of an Islamist who hates women. A little reminder for you: birth control is the responsibility of BOTH women and men. You are an outright idiot!!
Johan
Recep and Metin are correct. The woman CHOOSES when she DECIDES to become pregnant. After that it's too late to CHOOSE AGAIN. If she didn't choose (rape), or she is irresponsible (no birth control), it is NOT the fetus that should be punished !! Why is this so hard to understand for some people ?...
Izmir Ted
Has Gormez support legislation to ban honor killings. Why is okay to murder a child to protect family honor but otherwise to terminate a fetus that has no mind, no regret and has yet to take its first breath.
rich
Thank you Mr Gormez! Now that you have made it clear it is against Islam to abort foetuses, let's go and bomb children and adults in places like, say, Uludere! Of course, according to clerics like you on government payroll, Islam has nothing to say about killing innocent people, nothing about denyi...
Aziz
@Baris, thank you for your insightful question. And the answer is, "No Sir, we would NOT be having this debate/discussion/argument if the Uludere tragedy had not occurred!" Nor would we have this debate if the PM had offered a sincere apology to families of the victims and an honest explanation to t...
David
@Me. Your answer is totally off-topic. I don't reply. @Baris, Yes there are. Mr Gormez also stated that mother's condition (phisically or psychologically) comes before the baby. If there is a risk, abortion is not wrong.And also stated that every situation has a unique solution, and they must be c...
Recep
May be "Abortion is murder and unless absoultely necessary for medical reasons" but it is only up to the woman to decide that, not to a politician or clergy.
turkan asya
Today a few demonstrators were marching in Denizli Çınar Square chanting "Abortion is a right, Uludere is genocide." Most of them were women. I think this people have no mercy in the bottom of their heart, if they have, they would say "ABORTION IS GENOCİDE."
HasanMehmet
Best thing to do with unwanted babies is to abandon them at your nearest mosque since the imams have the time and the money to look after them .Problem solved.
Ahmed
Recep, it's not as simple as that. Whether we like it or not, there are unwanted pregnancies in the world. It is not up to the likes of the PM or Mr Görmez to dictate to the women involved that they must accept their fate, and then force them into raising an unwanted baby, regardless of how they fee...
Baris
Last I look, Turkey was a secular state... So why is this religious offical thinks he has any right to say anything about law matters in our country?
Deniz
RECEP Then why don't we take the baby out of "my body" and see how long it survives. Now women will also be prosecuted when they job while pregnant, or fly while pregnant and then miscarry. How many of these unwanted children are you raising? How many times have you been to educate young women a...
Me
I agree with the PM and the Dr Gormez. Abortion is murder and unless absoultely necessary for medical reasons, it shouldn't be allowed. Most of the time, abortion is for non medical reasons. This is a fact.
Metin
… and NO cleric or male has the right to decide if a woman has to carry out a unwanted life inside their body! This law against abortion will cause more fatalities as the other way around. Women will from now on abort in secret non hygienically places; abortions done by ordinary people. Abused women...
H. Kohlmann
who is this guy ? who gives him the right to say such infamous sentences? its not in his buisiness to give parents advices or commands. shame on this guy in woman clothes. are we in iran ?
dev
first argument claimed by anti-abortion lobby is that My body is mine and I do whatever I want with it. Sorry but the baby is not your body. You have right to become pregnant or not but you don't have the right to kill a baby.
Recep
Gormez is correct in saying that 'women have been those who suffered the most and have been victimized' over this issue. There needs to be a lot more communication and understanding in relationships generally - if this was this case, then a lot of abortions could probably be avoided in the first pla...
Alexinho
I don´t care what any religions "authorities" tells me to do. I don´t belive in God and whatever these people say are IMO pure NONSENS. Keep "god" out of this discussion and let the women decide... They know their bodies better that we do
KAsper
The decision of an abortion has to be one of the most difficult for women and they need help and support from the state. Judgements made by politicians and theologians, always men, to make the decision more difficult or push it underground is unnecessary.They should keep their noses out of areas tha...
Arnie
The government plans to turn turkish women to pill popping looneys. They'll be taking so many pills to avoid pregnancy that they'll give birth to crippled babies when they want to get pregnant. Or have their eggs removed so they won't get pregnant at all... :)
Halis
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