‘Turks and Armenians should become closer, understand each other'
 
 
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19 June 2013 Wednesday
 
 
 
 
 
 

‘Turks and Armenians should become closer, understand each other'

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PHOTO Sunday’s ZAMAN, ALİ ÜNAL
17 June 2012 /SINEM CENGIZ
While taking a walk through the Armenian Bazaar (or Vernisaj), you can easily distinguish the colorful bookstall owned by an Armenian retired English teacher, Frunzik Tadevosiam, 70, who hails from Nagorno-Karabakh.

 He quickly starts a friendly conversation when he realizes someone is coming from Turkey. “I am happy to see Turkish journalists in Yerevan. The Turkish and Armenian peoples have no problem. The problem is with the governments of the two countries. Armenians always remember the help of the Turks during World War I,” says Tadevosiam, adding that both governments should change their attitudes towards each other.

“To err is human; to persist on error is stupidity. We don’t live forever,” says the bookseller, meaning that the two nations should understand each other and become closer.

Sharing Tadevosiam’s opinion, the Global Political Trends Center (GPoT) of İstanbul Kültür University and the Yerevan-based Eurasia Partnership Foundation organized a Turkish-Armenian Media Reporting Bus Tour for a group of Turkish and Armenian journalists in order to bring journalists from the two countries together to gain first-hand insight into their neighbor countries.

Starting in Turkey, the group visited six places: İstanbul, Malatya, Kayseri, Cappadocia, Ankara and Kars. In Turkey, Ani, which is a ruined and uninhabited medieval Armenian city-state situated in the Turkish province of Kars near the border with Armenia, was the most emotional place for the Armenian journalists.

On the way to Ani, the Armenian journalists started to sing a song about Ani. It says, “Desnem anin u nor mermen.” When asked what the meaning of the song was, they said it meant, “I can die after seeing Ani.”

After the visit to Turkey, they crossed into Armenia via the Georgian border. While passing to a neighbor country via a third country, Armenian journalists emphasized the importance of the relations between the two nations and said that even though there are borders between two countries, hearts have no borders. “Two nations can love each other, but before opening the closed borders we have to open our mental borders,” said one Armenian journalist.

After crossing the Armenian border, Gyumri, whose name during the Soviet period was Leninakan, was the first city to welcome the journalists, although it was a rueful welcome. Gyumri is the second-largest city in Armenia, which endured a major earthquake in 1988, resulting in the deaths of at least 25,000 people.

Levon Barseghyan, chairman of the Journalists’ Club in Gyumri, accompanied the group during their visit to a family that has been living in a container since the earthquake. Barseghyan told Sunday’s Zaman that 6,000 families have been living in containers since 1988. “Almost 2,000 families will get houses, but another 4,000 will remain in the containers due to the increased number of family members since 1988,” said Barseghyan, adding that there has been no improvement in the city since the earthquake.

“Gyumri is a very poor city; the government has no investment here. Indeed, the government does not have any investment in the country,” said Barseghyan, adding that unemployment and poverty were the main problems in Gyumri. “The poverty figure is 47 percent. You can understand the situation when you see the condition of the roads and houses,” he added.

He also said that most of the people living in containers were unemployed, adding that their relatives from the Armenian diaspora were sending money to them. One family survives on 10,000 dram (approximately $25) per month. “Large numbers are emigrating to Russia and Turkey,” said Barseghyan.

Barseghyan revealed that 10 years ago the wealthiest Armenian man from the diaspora donated $45 million to build 2,400 homes in Gyumri. “The government can only build 1,000 houses in a year,” he added.

Just as I began to think that every part of Armenia was like Gyumri, I came to Yerevan, which is the other face of Armenia. With its modern buildings, cafes and crowded streets, Yerevan looks like a European city, although one can still feel the Soviet past at times.

People are modern and well-dressed in the streets of Yerevan. One Armenian colleague said this was a common situation in almost all the Caucasian countries. Even on an ordinary day it seems like the people are going to attend a ceremony. But, when the sun sets, Republic Square explains the reason behind the smartly dressed people.

Republic Square, the large central city square in Yerevan, is the place where ceremonies and gatherings are held. Every night, except Monday, shows and concerts are held in the square. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is one of the greatest buildings in Republic Square, which is surrounded by seven major buildings. As a Turkish journalist, one can easily enter the ministry and get some public information. When asked about the lack of concern for security, one Armenian journalist said, “Armenia does not have a terrorism problem, so we don’t have any security concerns.”

Armenia is not a very rich country. The borders with its neighbors, Turkey and Azerbaijan, are closed. Its other neighbor, Iran, faces sanctions from the international community, which also affects Armenia’s economy. Life is very expensive for locals compared to foreigners. One Armenian journalist says people in Armenia are not satisfied with their salaries, adding that almost every family has a member in the diaspora who sends money to them.

“Life isn’t very cheap in our country, especially today, when we have price hikes,” Armenian journalist Vahe Sarukhanyan told Sunday’s Zaman. And another Armenian organizer said salaries were very low in Armenia. “A journalist gets probably, depending on skill, from $200 to $1,000 a month and many of them are on the lower end, of course,” he says, adding that people are dissatisfied with their salaries.

Although the economic situation receives poor marks, the education system saves the situation. Yerevan State University offers Persian studies, Arabic studies, Turkish studies and Kurdish studies. Garnik S. Asatrian, a lecturer in Oriental studies, said the number of staff for each department was approximately 27.

While speaking with Armenians one can easily realize that there is a difference of dialect between the Armenians living in Armenia and the ones from the diaspora. There are two dialects of the Armenian language, Eastern Armenian and Western Armenian, their main difference being the pronunciation. “Eastern Armenian is the dialect spoken in Armenia, Russia and Iran. Western Armenian is spoken in the diaspora, including Europe, America and also Turkey,” said an Armenian.

Lastly, Yerevan with its European and Soviet touch is a beautiful city for visitors. It would not be wrong to say that a snow-capped, dormant volcano is the most beautiful face of Armenia, which can be seen from every corner of Yerevan. Wherever you go, a beautiful view of the mountain follows you.

 
COMMENTS
It is a fact of life that the majority of turks live on 700 euros a month, or let's say, they are not the kings of europe. Otherwise, what are millions of them doing in Germany? Of course, visiting grandad, together with grandma, uncle, aunty, mom, dad, children, step-sister, step-brothers, half bro...
noname
Agri Dagian, lol, you're not in a position to talk considering more armenians live outside of your country than in it (lol, I can't blame them tough; who would want to live there). Turkiye certainly is a rich country compared to armenia. "Oligarchy"? I think you have us confused with your slavema...
GeneralSherman
J2, who are you kidding? I post on all types of articles on this site. I'm not kidding. You have an unhealthy obsession. I have spent years of my life not having a thought about armenians. There isn't a single day of your lives you haven't thought about Turks. It's kind of like a cool guy in h...
GeneralSherman
"remember the help of the Turks during World War I"- You mean the Armenian Genocide I presume
Haybert
My Grandfather documented very well the help Turks gave us in WWI, the help included killing of 65 members of his family in one village, cofiscation of our lands and properties, raping of our girls, 5 of whom were simply taken away and given as brides and last if not least the destruction of the Chu...
sergey
If you have any evidence to prove your claims, start legal case in an international court of law. I dare you.. Turks should do the same for their counter-claims. The whole thing is getting RIDICULOUS!!!
adam orman
No Future in Armenia, I just read old and once upon a time. This newspapers name is Todays Zaman -- Todays Time - Why were talking about this country with no FUTURE and dusty minded supporters. Where anyway the supporters.
zynell
Please open the border I cant breath......
Arielle Nalbandian
oh, sorry I forgot Armenia should leave Nagorny Karabagh, and also even Armenia soil it all belongs to God...All Armenians belong to California. I live here in Golden Dream, watch Kardashians, listen to Cher, and pray for honey...watch teh Mount Agri it is its name and it belongs to Turkey, you are ...
Western Armenian
adam orman, Multi-billion dollar industry?! Seriously? Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that it's a multi-billion dollar industry? It's Turkey who is spending millions of dollar on their propaganda and bribing to accomplish their denial project. Turkey used to claim that there never w...
Random Armenian
[Honest and Truth] assuming you are really a Turk, your honesty is appreciated. We Armenians know quite well the sentiments you express are present in the super majority of Turks. In 2012. More confirmation for us Armenians to continue doing what we are doing in RoA and Diaspora. Not much has chang...
Avery
@Western Armenian, nice wishes..keep on dreaming..
thereisnowesternarmenia(anymore)
The first step to gain our trust is to recognize the Armenian Genocide as for pulling out forces from occupied lands before border opening, Armenia will not open its borders with Turkey until Turkey leave occupied Northern Cyprus, plus occupied Western Armenia and occupied Kurdistan!
Western Armenian
Avery You see nothing bad happened in 1915 and Turks helped Armenians as well. If you look at the map you will understand why Armenia will need Turkey whether or not the border closed. I can not see a reconciliation between the two people unless Armenians change their attitude.
john the turk
We can never trust Turkey until it apologizes for the Genocide.
VTiger
"The problem is with the governments of the two countries. Armenians always remember the help of the Turks during World War I" I think this sentence was edited badly or truncated or something else. If I were to look at this sentence as positively as possible and without cynicism, I think Tadevosiam...
Random Armenian
If Armenians and Turks have any evidence to prove their claims and counter-claims, they both separately or together should open a case at an internationally recognized, unbiased, independent court of law, or set up an inquiry of unbiased, honest and independent experts to put an end to this hundred-...
adam orman
"Armenians always remember the help of the Turks during World War I,” says Tadevosiam, adding that both governments should change their attitudes towards each other." What help? What kind of help it was during WWI? Can someone help me understand the sentence?
Ara Papian
Please , dont over-rate ermenians. The first step to gain our trust for them would be to withdraw their soldiers from N. Karabagh, a Turkish Land where they have invaded illegally since 1992.
necati
Soldier Sherman speak about rich Turkey but prefer to live in America. Listen hypocrite! Turkey is not a rich country at all, it is an oligarchy it is different, the majority of turks are poor,only Mafia members are rich in Turkey from and there money come from all illicit activities... the money th...
Araratian
I'm loving the Shermanator talking about obsessing over Turks. Dude, you don't post on any non-Armenian articles on this site. Hell, you're not even a Turk! Surely you can find some other race of people to cozy up to. Quick, where did Armenia rank in the Forbes index of wealth? lol
J2
The US does not have to "understand" Jamaica for the US has not established a republic on the ashes of a Jamaican genocide. However, it is totally understandable for Turks for not wanting to "understand" Armenians, for the murderer does not care much about his victim. For the guilty party out of sig...
Q4b
We dobn't need nothing from Armenia. Turkiye despises them. I personally hate Armenia(ns). Nothing good would come out of Armenia. They're our enemies as far as I am concerned.
Honest and Truth
It is up to Turkey to deal with its bigots. We will not contribute to that effort and there will be no let up in pressure on Turkey. If Turkey wants normal, ordinary relations with Armenia, it knows what it has to do to its bigots first, and in relation to Armenia second. If Turkey does not want ...
Jack Kalpakian
Armenians really do understand Turks,just look at the picture of remains of over 1000 year old Church,this is the state and situation for over 2000 Churches in todays Turkey.there is no understanding untill Turkey gives up on her agreessive and hostile attitude towards Armenians.
Garo Avedis
1st to GeneralSherman - nobody needs - especially you, sergeant - Turks to understand the 'poverty ridden' country - ARMENIA - especially when everybody in the world knows who has occupied more than 250.000 square kilometers of native Armenian territories after butchering 1,5 millions of Armenians a...
Samvel Z. Harutyunyan
The propaganda hype. We do not need armenians. Without they us will be more quiet.
Hunter
Jack Kalpakian, and yet you're still posting in the comments section of a Turkish newspaper and it's almost guranteed that, like most armenians, that you will spend most of your day obsessing about Turks.
GeneralSherman
Western Armenian is the Armenian dialect spoken in Western Armenia _today s Turke_ in Ani, Mush, Kars, Ardahan, Van, Bitlis, Erzerum, Trebizond, Malatya, Diyarbekir and Cilicia _ Adana, Marash, Urfa, Sis etc..._, in the area that old maps from the XI century designated as Armenia Major and Armenia M...
Araratian
I think Armenians understand Ziya Golkup and his followers very well. I do not think we need any further lessons in Turkish political culture or Turkish political theory and practice. In addition, these things belong to Turks and they alone can do anything about them.
Jack Kalpakian
The US isn't going out of its way to "understand" Jamaica. I don't see why we have to go out of our way to "undestand" a poverty-ridden country in our regio.
GeneralSheramn
After reading the article I was left askance as to what this article tried to say.
Hamasdegh
{Armenians always remember the help of the Turks during World War I, says Tadevosiam,} Really ? A 70 year old Armenian remembers nothing about 1915 except that the supposed help Turks gave Armenians ? Nothing else happened in 1915 ? Are you guys serious ?
Avery
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