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May 28, 2012
 
 
 
 
 
 

Bağış says recognizes no power that can arrest Turkish ministers

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Turkey's EU Minister Egemen Bağış. (Photo: Cihan)
7 February 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,
Turkish European Union Affairs Minister Egemen Bağış has said he is confident regarding a Swiss investigation into his statements regarding allegations of an Armenian genocide as he does not know of any power that can arrest a minister of Turkey after a Swiss prosecutor launched an investigation on Monday in Zurich.

“No genocide took place in 1915. I will say this again and again. Such initiatives [investigations] are null and void for us. I do not know of any power that can arrest a minister of the Republic of Turkey,” he said on Tuesday at İstanbul's Atatürk International Airport where he held a press conference before leaving the country for an official visit to Brussels. “I am very confident on this issue,” he added.

News about the prosecution's move was published in the Swiss daily Neue Zürcher Zeitung. The Zurich Chief Prosecutor's Office launched the investigation into Bağış's remarks -- which he made last month in Zurich on his way back from the World Economic Forum at Davos -- based on a complaint filed by members of Switzerland's Armenian community.

Zürich State Prosecutor Christine Braunschweig was quoted by the daily as having said: “Last week we received a petition about this issue, informing us that Mr. Bağış violated the anti-racism Article 261 of the Swiss Penal Code. Our prosecutor's office has taken this allegation seriously and launched an investigation. We will investigate whether Egemen Bağış uttered words denying the Armenian genocide as asserted in the petition. We will also see if he has diplomatic immunity. At the end of this, we will press charges against him if there indeed is a violation and if he cannot benefit from diplomatic immunity.”

Last week, in response to a question from a French journalist on what he thought of a bill criminalizing denial of the Armenian genocide adopted by the French Senate in January, Bağış said: “Our prime minister has said what needs to be said about this. This resolution is null and void for us. We believe that there are more people with common sense than those without it in France. Switzerland is another country where it is a crime to deny the so-called genocide. Here I am in Switzerland today, and I'm saying the 1915 incidents did not amount to genocide. Let them come arrest me.”

“We will go to Davos and say the same thing again,” a defiant Bağış said on Tuesday.

Armenians claim that the 1915 killings of 1.5 million Armenians as the Ottoman Empire broke up was the 20th century's first genocide, and several European countries have recognized the massacres as such. Switzerland has convicted people of racism for denying genocide.

But Turkey asserts that there was no systematic campaign to kill Armenians and that many Turks also died during the chaotic disintegration of the empire. It also argues that the death toll is inflated.

Switzerland has a penal code article that punishes acts of racism, including public denial of genocides, established against a backdrop of right-wing attacks targeting asylum seekers in the country two decades ago. 

 
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@Baris, putting all in same basket is unfair, I recognize that, but the truth is that the majority of Muslims behave in the manner described and even the minority who does not, still support the acts of the majority by their deafening silence. If you're not one of them, I'm glad for you, but I wish ...
kubilay
"If bullying such a tiny people is not pathetically disgusting and evil, I don't know what is". You putting 2 billion people in the same basket.
Baris
Why would anybody bother reading LEVENT's garbage? Anyway, he's not alone, most muslims blame jews for even their ugly faces, what else is new. LOL that this is about the Armenians but sure enough such muslim hater would blame that on jews as well. Bunch of bullies, nearly 2 billion of this medieava...
kubilay
Are you being sarcastic, dude. An exclamation of delight.
connect
Do Armenians have a court verdict from ICJ which was founded in 1922 ? No You think that Turks are stupid to accept your fake genocide? every country has the right to defend its territory and Turkey did the same. If you read the book called "Turks and Europe" written by a French historian Gaston Ga...
satrap
@connect I bow in front of your godly judgement! The problem with some of you AKP hardlin ers is that you just are unable to endure the slightest critics. This maybe a sign of a deep rooted inferiority complex, such people try to upgrade themselves by constantly downgrading and insulting others. An...
eve
I Armenians have any evidence to prove their claims, instead of constatntly bitching about it, they should ggo to an internationa, unbiased and independent court of law. But they won't do it because anti-Turkish hate propaganda is a multi-billion dolar busines for them. Therefore, they do not want t...
adam orman
It's normal for most Turkish representatives to deny the Genocide, it's like asking Pol Pot if he did Cambodian Genocide, Pol Pot never admitted, the world powers were the ones who condemned the Cambodian Genocide, it is useless to expect from Turkish representatives to admit the Armenian Genocide,...
Raffi
@Levent - the point is that European nations have embraced their past and accepted their mistakes and in most cases apologised and have taught their nations' children about the wrong doings of the past. The Armenian Genocide happened in very recent history with many survivors and their relatives st...
Mark
Levent. The topic discussed here is the Armenian issue. Why not stick to that instead of trying to talk about other issues? Whenever something is coming up, there are some people who always want to divert the dicussion by some kind of "counter attack". I find this extremely idiotic and shows that yo...
Focus rather than chaos
May be there is or may be there is not freedom of speech in Turkiye. That is not the question, and that cannot be the criteria to have or not to have it in Switzerland or any country in Europe which claim to be the most civilized in the world. If they claim so, they have to have all human rights and...
david coors
@eve stop underestimating! Can read through the lines, you think that you are better than anybody else. And you think that you are coming from a better flock and in postion of lecturing what is right and what is wrong. You have no wisdom, that's the problem with you. Go get some wisdom!
connect
@Satrap... soon you will see whos fake or not.
Realist
I found an article in the Armenian Mirror published in the USA. The Journalist made a speech at a conference to Armenians addressing the Armenian genocide issue . He said Turks also have conscience ""if you want the Turks to accept the Armenian genocide you should appeal to their hearts NOT TO THE...
satrap
Turkish people should ask why disputing European massacres of non-European people is not criminalized such as the French actions in Algeria, as Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan has said. These would include the near-total extermination of native populations by European settlers in Australia, New Zeala...
LEVENT
To all these proud Turks commenting below i have one question. Is there freedom of speech in Turkey? Turkey will recognise the Armenian genocide (recognised by almost all world scholars and historians) when its percentage of educated people reaches a satisfying percentage for a 75 million nat...
Realist
@ levent Do you really think anybody here is taking you serious? I have a much to high opinion of the Turkish people to believe this!
eve
@ Zach I somehow feel insulted when somebody makes stupid remarks like you! Come live in Europe and if you are not a hooligan you might enjoy your life without having a Mr. Superman looney telling you what is right and what is wrong! Your Law system is getting more and more like a medieval inquisit...
geo
Why did this situation and extremely unnecessary aggression occur? In what way will this event created by Mr Bagis improve Turkeys reputation and image abroad and how will it improve Turkeys chances of joining EU? I can not really see the logic of this.
Why
There is NO freedom of speech in France and Switzerland! And in half of the Europe. This is no different than the medieval inquisition!
Zach K
Question if he get arrested in Switzerland will they demand for his replacement for Turkey`s membership if so will MR. Erdogan is going to sacrifice him for EU membership which means in return Turkey indirectly accepts the bill, is that so, or will he point his middle finger to EU, lets hope that he...
a.c
Freedom of speech has limitations as European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) states. One of them is denial of cases that belong to the category of clearly established historical facts ? such as the Holocaust and other genocides recognized as such by other international courts set up since 1945 by rele...
Sandokhan
Time he's replaced. He has just crossed the diplomacy red line.
june
@Erol, you don't have the right to say we and who knows what your background is, but using a Turkish name doesn't make you a Turk. From now on, don't talk on behalf of Turks because you don't qualify. What are you, obviously a non anadolu, a traitor or hidous person who defames Turks is a good label...
Senol
It is unbelievable that a model democratic state like switzerland makes a law that restricts freedom of speech. It all started with Jews when they lobbied western governments to pass holocaust anti-denial laws . Then the Armenians followed. How about the holocaust of Palestinians in 2008 by the Isra...
LEVENT
Mr.bagis must be decorated with highest medal of honor and be elevated into deputy minister of foreign affairs for his invaluable service to the republic of turkey.We had the impresion that turks are smart and shrewed in politics.where did they come up with such a clown and a big mouth.Is he realy t...
william
Gen Sherman, well said, you finally man(ned) up and declared what you and your parents and grandparents knew for a long time. Look, I know you posted a sarcastic and half hearted message, however, us Turks, Must come clean. The Genocide was committed by our former governments, and Yes, 1.5 million A...
Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi
Mr Bagis is drawing a firm line between Turkey and Switzerland. This puts the republic of Turkey in a bad light. The EU minister should have left this Armenian Genocide subject untouched at Davos. Like this he's opened a can of worms that he cannot possibly get out of.
Ceygiz
@coors,the Swiss should know by now to not mess with turks. Do not think, they will place turks on the test. Just for the sake of saying. Turks are well - famous for being stubborn.
hedge fence
NO ONE CAN ARREST A TURKISH MINISTER. TO BETRAYERS: IT IS NOT ABOUT "AKP", THEY ARE ENEMY OF ALL TURKS.
mehmet
i think bagis is going to lose his job
andrew
Swiss goverment, like French goverment, passes an anti-democratic law which restricts freedom of speech and other human rights, and expects others Turkiye included, to comply with it. That is a true nonsense. Swiss people are daydreaming. What if the Turks wonn't comply with their nonsensical law,...
david coors
On 19 October 1918 the President of the Turkish senate, Ahmed Riza told the assembly in his inaugural speech: "Let's face it, we Turks savagely killed off the Armenians."
erol
Good on him, he should and will say what 70 million people think back in Turkey. Lets see how anyone can shut him up, even if you posters don't like it. I for one like the fact he is practicing what Europe has put on the Turkish EU membership charter, that is free speech. It seems the Europeans are ...
Senol
Turkiye is a sovereign country, all Swiss people including their lawyers, goverment (all three branches of it) should recognize it if they want to be known as democratic. Otherwise they will be taught a lesson on democracy and human rights which they lack unles they will learn by themselves.
adam orman
I think this kind of messages are both positive and negative. Positive because you should say that you are against restrictions on freedom of speech. Negative because the language you use might be provocative, you could just say I condemn it, or shame on the prosecutor, etc we will go in our way, th...
Davud
This is a man of diplomacy. But a Turkish one.
Ferhat B
What this bozzo is, is simply vulgar and ignorant.
jross
Mr. Bagis is totally unprofessional and an embarassment for every Turk. What an appalling spectacle for a minister of Turkey to be acting like this in a foreign nation.
Christoph
It is time for us Turks to realize that we have been wrong and man up for our mistakes. It was a genocide and we killed and murdered!
GeneralSherman
This is so sad and ugly..... The demeanour and statements of this Turkish Ministers remind us pritty much to the well know behaviours of former Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi's sons!
mentor
Mr. Bağış should hope for a long....very long (all his life) career in diplomacy to hide behind diplomatic immunity (his only hope) and avoid prosecution for spreading hatred.
J2
Swistserland is just laughable, arresting a Turkish minister is not only too much for Switserland but for any other country. The Turks will make Switsewrland, Swiss cheese from the inside :D NO COUNTRY SHOULD TEST THE TURKS THEY WILL REGRET THAT.
DutchTurkish - Amsterdamiye
Yes to all your questions MARK. this man is a complete dweeb and an embarrassment to Turkey on the World stage. How embarrassing to even listen to him speak.
Me
For all those crticising Bagis for Swiss action.. Please tell How is he supposed to respond? Cave in and apologize..? Those who criticise him are the same people who criticized Erdogan for his outburst against Perses. Turkey is a not a holiday resort.It is a Empire and it is Swiss which sh...
Rumi
I meant to say I agree with Volkan in my earlier post.
Baris
Macho macho man.... He wants to be a macho man.. Macho macho man.. Erdogan
George
What did he think? That he, not talking about the rudeness and stupidity of such a behaviour, could act against the Law of the country which hosted him? I remember when Gaddafis son acted against Swiss Law, he was detained as well! And what would happen in Turkey in such a case?? I refuse to imagine...
eve
Did he not realise that the Swiss have laws addressing issues such as Genocide and Race, the Holocaust etc? Is he stupid? And there was Bagis spouting off denying the Aremenian Genocide in Switzerland whilst pointing the finger at France thinking he was safe. It does not look as if he will be ste...
Mark
As I have stated last week on the same subject matter, Mr. Bagis, through his frequent uncivilized and boorish comments, is doing Turkey's international and or diplomatic reputation no favours. Statements as such outside of Turkey, are most certainly perceived as undiplomatic, insensitive and most c...
Thessalonian
Embarrassing to see this. Although we Turks have the truth on our side this doesn't mean we can grease their faces with it. It is not professional. He should be replaced by somebody else. It is not the first time he does this. If he had any dignity he would resign by now.
ero
The Minister should not mention that at all, why throw pearls into a swans.
hedge fence
Turkey jumped into a swamp with her strange behaviour and now the more she struggles the deeper she gets into it! Its more a less becoming the daily morning joke!
geo
I agree with Vural. I also think it is absurd for Switzerland to convict people for denying genocide on grounds of racism. They are condemning everyone who happens to genuinely believe that those events shouldn't be called a genocide, as racists. This is the weirdest definition of racism. This can't...
Baris
no power can kill the truth.
musa
The Turkish EU Minister should stop acting like a coward hiding behind his diplomatic immunity and come to any Armenian community, outside of Turkey, and make the same statement and lets see how long he will last. I have NO doubt there is not an ounce of courage in him because racist offcials such a...
Ararat
The Genocide bills and resolutions against Turkey are all because western countries are jealous about Turkey's growing regional and international influence, they are jealous because Turkey is not acting as their stooge as it was the case before the present government come into power. So let those co...
Rizwan
Get rid of this bully for the God's sake.
Reeder
Yes, indeed, no wonder Turks have no friends but themselves.
erol
good talk. Switzerland must know Turkey is not a country in Africa the west colonised for hundreds of years..
necati
well done Mr. Bagis we need more ministers like you to defend turkey
satrap
It is baffling to millions of free thinking people on earth to hear how the so called democratic countries like Switzerland, France etc. are trying to force intelligent human beings to accept their version of events before, during and after 1915 in Anatolia. Perhaps they should take a second look a...
Ali
Speaking as a Turk, this kind of behaviour from Mr Bagis is unprofessional and childish in my opinion. He has every right to deny a genocide took place, as do I, but to prance around saying "come arrest me" is undiplomatic and embarrassing frankly.
Volkan
Disgusting attitude. This guy is trying to ruin Turkey's imago on its own. And what's he going to do in Brussels? Attacking countries he has to negotiate with? Both the UN (in 1985) as the European parliament recognized the AG. And he is prvoking each and every country while Turkey is slowly going i...
Johan
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