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May 28, 2012
 
 
 
 
 
 

Turkish minister: I deny the Armenian genocide, come arrest me

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Turkey's EU Minister Egemen Bağış. (Photo: Today's Zaman)
29 January 2012 / TODAYSZAMAN.COM,
Turkey's EU affairs minister has challenged France's controversial genocide-denial bill in Switzerland, saying such efforts have no chance of survival.

Turkish EU Affairs Minister Egemen Bağış told reporters in Zurich on Sunday that a bill which was recently been approved by the French Senate and which makes it a crime to deny the mass killings of Armenians in 1915 in Anatolia constitute a genocide is null and void for Turkey, adding that “we believe there are more sane people in France than insane ones.”

The French Parliament approved the bill last Monday, complicating an already delicate relationship with Turkey. French President Nicolas Sarkozy -- who personally supported the bill -- plans to sign the measure into law within the required 15-day period after the bill's passage on Monday.

Turkey, which sees the allegations of genocide as a threat to its national honor, has already suspended military, economic and political ties with Paris and briefly recalled its ambassador last month when the lower house of French Parliament approved the same bill.

In France the bill is part of a tradition of legislation in some European countries, born of the agonies of the Holocaust, that criminalizes the denial of genocide. Denying the Holocaust is already a punishable crime in France.

Armenians claim that the 1915 killings of 1.5 million Armenians as the Ottoman Empire broke up was the 20th century's first genocide, and several European countries have recognized the massacres as such. Switzerland has convicted people of racism for denying the genocide.

But Turkey asserts that there was no systematic campaign to kill Armenians and that many Turks also died during the chaotic disintegration of the empire. It also argues the death toll is inflated.

“We are today in Switzerland and I am saying the 1915 incidents were not a genocide. Let them come and arrest me,” Bağış stated.

Switzerland has a penal code article that punishes acts of racism, including public denial of genocides, established against a backdrop of right-wing attacks targeting asylum seekers in the country two decades ago. Swiss authorities say the measure is not similar to French genocide law in many ways and that it is fundamental to fighting xenophobia in the country.

Bağış said efforts like these have no chance of survival and that these laws are nothing but a piece of paper.

 
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Shame on the Turks and Turkey to deny the Armenian
Matt/USA
More boorish behavior by an AKP politician. Are there no statesmen in Turkey these days. Someone needs to define "diplomacy" for these guys. They look like amateur thugs to the rest of the world. Everyone is laughing at them.
Me
A very inappropriate and immature response indeed to a sensitive issue such as this from a minister who supposedly represents Turkey in the EU. He should be sacked asap as his behaviour, reflected by his frequent and outre comments, constitutes a frequent embarrassment to those he represents. Regar...
Thessalonian
It is true that the Ottomans had obvious reason to fear 1.Armenians, and that forced migration was an age-old tool in Middle Eastern and Balkan conflicts. It is also true that while its troops were fighting the Russians and Armenians, the Ottoman Government could not and did not properly protect the...
tim
Armenians lived in the Ottoman Empire for Hundreds of yeiars. At its weekest point in history, they turned on their own government from within. Armenians were Ottoman citizens and carried Ottoman Passports. Bottom line Armenians were traitors. How would Americans respond if millions of their citizen...
mike
I went online yesterday and checked the International Court of Justice and found that NO APPLICATION has been made by Armenians . Just to remind you that this court was founded in 1922 to resolve the conflicts between two countries. ANOTHER DEAD END FOR POOR ARMENIANS
satrap
People like the Turkish EU minister and all other hypocritical Turkish leaders make empty statements knowing they can get away with it. They are making such statements for their illiterate and brainwashed people's consumption. In reality, all these leaders are cowards and are hiding behind their dip...
Ararat
Which genocide? Since when is a defence of your home country against betrayers is a genocide? This armenian betrayers got what they deserved. Colloboration with the enemy and killing your own turkish and kurdish people sentences you to death. As simple is that,
Aslan
If 1.5 million people were killed, it would be easy to find evidence or mass graves
ATC
@ Ali Let's talk about it in 3 years time again, ok? The anathema will probably become a boomerang to those who apply it! :-(( Good luck, but I think you are a bit overoptimistic!
Eve
Bravo Brave Necati ! is it lie because you have been tought that it is lie ? or you have LOGICAL PROOF that it is lie ?
Zorro
amazing this is a minister of eu acting like this imagine an average person
andrew
Bravo to Mr. Bagis, I too deny the "so-called Armeno jenosize, come arrest me. Oh that's right, I live in Australia, where it is free to express your thought without paying a fine. Let the Armenians keep up with the backstabbing of Turks just like in 1915, they try to pass little laws in other cou...
BigTURK
I think that Mr. Bağış needs to get a grip! Same thing with Mr. Davutoglu! You two call yourself professionals? What the heck kind of country these idiots ring from? You think they would stand up for the interests of Turkey, but in the end they are just making fools of themselves. We have nev...
TurkishAngora
@eve... 2015? Deal? Both anathema to those outside Eve's and friends' terms of reference ;-)
Ali
Bravo Egeman - the French never understood the revolution of democracy and free speech. Better to be free to say what you believe, either right or wrong, than to live under terriny.
Freedom of Speech First
I am really courious how Turkey will deal with the year 2015!
eve
"""what a shame""" if Turkey has become more isolated then it is good for you. I would keep quite
satrap
Egemen Bagis is denying the Armenian Genocide in Switzerland publically because he knows he is safe under political immunity. According this, who is he trying to fool and impress with his "heroic" speech? In the German article in Spiegel, Bagis complains the Genocide should be left to Historians and...
Political Immunity
I do not understand, so please help me. We are paying taxes to this ministers (high) salary and expenses so that he will improve our status in EU and to form long term good contacts with European countries. But then he makes comments like this, (like an annoying 3 year old boy), and I can not see ho...
Confused
Born and bred British. Not going to France or buying any French products. Staying in GREAT BRITAIN and speaking freely. What a great joy it is to live in a free country and be able to speak the Truth! What are the French going to do??? Invade and arrest millions of free thinking people in other coun...
Ali
I agree with most people that Mr Bağış is harming Turkeys image. THE BEST IMAGE IS SILENCE, WHEN YOU LOSE CONTROL (YOU HAVE LOST)As a Minister Mr Bağış should act like a responsable politician. The negative EU stance against Turkey has had the better of Mr Bağış, but if he handles the EU with calm h...
LEVENT
The leaders of a nation who not only deny but pride themselves of wiping out an entire ancient Armenian civilization from Eastern Anatolia and then claim the allegations of genocide are a threat to their national honor are delusional. The French law applies to French citizens only and perhaps that's...
Ararat
It is very distressing that Turkey still denies The Armenian Genocide, and ststaements such as these only help to isolate Turkey even further than it is.
what a shame
I wish someone would arrest him!
the prisoner
We in US never seen arMenians marched at the streets for our dead diplomats sayin we are all Turks, and I am shame to see Turks are marching in the streets saying we are all arMenians, shame on them, what is this country is becoming, how quickly they forger that as we Turkish Americans know that arM...
Mark
Bravo Mr Bağış! You shown to the world the real face of the country aspiring to be integrated into Europe! And you are still happy to be a winner!!!
Hovanessian
He will probably deny the Uludere massacre as well.
Jean-Claude
The fact that 1.5 million Armenians died can not be described as an "incident". Logical thought would lead a normal person to question how they died and why.This man is a disgrace and another person in the government who is holding Turkey back from becoming the progressive and strategic country that...
Petra
The leaders of a nation who not only deny but pride themselves of wiping out an entire ancient Armenian civilization from Eastern Anatolia and then claim the allegations of genocide are a threat to their national honor are delusional. The French law applies to French citizens only and perhaps that's...
Ararat
Mr. Egemen Bağış, France's law has no jurisdiction in Switzerland, however if you dare you deny the genocide in France and you will see what will happen to you...
ARMO
A denying Turkish official is a xenophobic and a racist Ittihad ve Terakki disciple. On one hand Mr. Davutoglu accuses Europe for the false "Nazification of Turkey" and laments about it, on the other hand you have high officials , such as Mr. Bağış, proving Europe right.
self-incriminaiton
Turkey should talk, arresting journalists has given Turkey a black eye in the world. The world scorns you because of this. When censorship happens to Turkey they cannot take it because they believe they are above the law. arrogant
Journalist
I doubt Today's Zaman will approve any comment about the Armenian Genocide that indeed happened because the Turkish Law article 301 prevents them to do so. They will only be able to publish genocide denials. I doubt this much will be approved. As to this Turkish minister's comment: He is a childish...
Hairo
In France by dening any God any form or shape will you free pass even atheist is free to eaxpress their opinion but the moment you denial so-called amenian genocide they will put you in a cell, lets assume that Sarkozy is slowly losing it what about those law makers passed the bill, Mr Bagis brav...
a.c
A silly French bill that requires a stern response. The Turkish public are grateful that they have such strong, intelligent politicians like Mr. Bagis.
Aydin
Seriously Turkey. You accepted arms from France when the slaughtering was happening. What gives you any right to be part of Europe when you have wiped the identity of so many Turkish people in the last century. Too little too late. Accept the past and you are part of the EU. As far as I am concerned...
mmm
Yea, what is Sarko going to do??? Arrest this man and millions of others who deny??? The French maybe suffering from a psychopathological condition called megalomania :-)
Ali
Its not hard for the minister to be brave considering he has diplomatic immunity.
BBBB
How very professional and diplomatic. He is definitely the right man for the job of EU Affairs Minister.
Baris
If you are that man, wait till your diplomatic immunity expires and then go to France and deny the Genocide
Armenian
That is not what the bill said, personal speech is not what is covered by the bill. Furthermore, the good minister has diplomatic immunity. He is not subject to arrest under normal circumstances. But the stupidity here is to continue the hard-line towards Armenian people and to continue talking l...
Jack Kalpakian
i will go to paris this summer and shout in front of sarko's home : armenian gen-ocide is a lie..!
necati
1) Does an EU Affairs Minister have diplomatic immunity. 2) Do laws passed in Frances extend beyond her borders into countries such as Switzerland? Just asking.
Random Armenian
This kind leaders with their cynicism destroying their own countries democracy. Primitive approach problems like, killing or sending desert to die whole population of a Armenian nation, is atrocity. If Turkey would understand its crime, France wouldn't go so far.
payqar
And I am saying the 1915 incidents were genocide. Let Turkey come and arrest me under their article 301.
Ararat
He should be arrested now under the current Swiss laws,this is hate speech
Orhan Cucukoglu
International community is trying to ignore Turkish childish behavior- sine every politican with an healthy mind is well aware of the fact of Armenian Genocide - Turkish Minster are making a fool of themselves! Turkey and Turkish politicians are acting more and more irrational and childish. Accor...
unfit to plead
A cheap publicity stunt. Mr. Egemen Bağış knows very well he enjoys diplomatic immunity. He cannot be arrested. Even PM Erdogans staff who were involved in a physical altercation at the UN, and allegedly hit a UN female staffer could not be touched.
Avery
Maybe he was just trying to be funny! Either way I don't know if I like this guy. He's not very funny. War/genocide is nothing to joke about.
whats it to yah
The nation is strong when does not cheat himself. No need for any historians to prove the genocide of Armenians. How come that Anatolian Armenians just disapeared in the 1st world war? Go to Der Zor desert in Sirya and see Armenian seceletons spread all over the desert. Just take the reality, apogol...
Davit
It is good to be tough to Europeans, but based on facts and rationality. Mr Bagis is making a fool out of him self and Turkey.
harman
Embarrassing. Does he thinks to be on a bazaar? I thought his task was to bring Turkey closer to the EU...
Johan
Shame on this minister, instead of apologizing for the crimes in the past, he denies it publicly in .... SWITZERLAND. I believe Turkish people deserve better representatives in the World. I wonder how Turks tolerate such politicians. It's really sad.
Edward
Doesn't AKP know parliaments are not authorized to declare something as a genoicde according to the genocide statute? Why isn't AKP taking these countries to court to have their so-called "decisions" cancelled? Doesn't AKP know that so-called "armenia" is an illegal terrorist state controlled by Ru...
Erkan Orhon
Passing legislation about a fictitious "armenian genocide" is illegal. National parliaments do not have the authority to determine events as genocide. The government cannot just criticize. It must also act. For example, every country that passed illegal legislation should be facing a lawsuit by n...
Gokay Yener
Let him say this in France ;) if he is very happy.. lets see what will happen there.
Serouj Baghdassarian
What this shows is that Europeans are still enemies of Turkey. Their mentality has not changed since they invaded Turkey in 1915 and armed Armenian terrorist groups.
Yildiz
I congratulate Minister Bagis for his courage and vision. The artcile failed mention Armenian revolts, terrorism, treason and territorial demands which caused 510,000 Muslims, mostly Turks, to be murdered between 1914 and 1920. Armenians took up arms agains their own government and sided with the i...
Kirlikovali
He used some hard words but I think those were necessary. Politicians can't decide if it happend or not. Historians do. They have to know that they can't mess with us.
ero
Be careful, you might loose your diplomatis accredition to EU in no time! It is hardly believable that a country which claims to be one of the most developed in the ME is behaving in tribal revenge thinking!
migo
And this man is supposed to be our representative and build stratetic alliances with the main European countries? No further comments are necessary................unfortunately.
Perfectly clear
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