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Columnists 15 July 2012, Sunday 60 0 0 0
ÖMER TAŞPINAR
o.taspinar@todayszaman.com

Armenia-Turkey and 2015

One of the most unfortunate dimensions of the Armenian question in Turkey is that the issue enters the domestic political debate almost exclusively in the context of Western attempts to legislate resolutions on genocide.

It is either in the context of a genocide resolution in the American Congress or with the French Parliament passing legislation criminalizing genocide denial that we debate our own history.

The result is often a reactive nationalist defense: They are always wrong and we are always right. Since there is tension in the air, no attempt is made at understanding why the whole world has a very different interpretation of what happened to Armenians in 1915 to our own.

In less than three years, by 2015, Turkey will find itself in a similar dilemma. Once again, it will be external dynamics that will drive the domestic debate. Turkey will likely react in an acerbic and nationalist way to Western attempts at commemorating the centennial of the Armenian genocide.

What can be done to avoid such an ordeal? The obvious answer is to start thinking about Armenian-Turkish relations now, before the pressure of a ticking clock kicks in. Otherwise, a sense of urgency and alarm will once again dominate the domestic debate. Any step taken very close to 2015 will also be perceived by Armenia and the international community as a desperate attempt at staving off accusations of genocide.

Instead of panicking shortly before 2015, the Turkish government needs to pursue a multidimensional strategy, starting now. The first dimension of the strategy should be to open the border with Armenia. This will have to be a unilateral gesture of Turkish goodwill, independent of the frozen protocols process.

As is well known, the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government decided to link the ratifications of the protocols (aiming at full normalization with Armenia) to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Such a policy has practically blocked the whole process since it became impossible for Armenian President Serzh Sarksyan to convince his own public's opinion (and the millions of Armenians in the diaspora) that Turkey is serious about normalizing relations without preconditions.

The Turkish decision to establish a precondition for normalization with Armenia was shortsighted. Any attempt to pass the protocols will now be opposed by pro-Azerbaijani nationalist circles in Turkey on the grounds that no progress has been made in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. This is why Turkey needs to act without any reference to protocols. The opening of the border with Armenia should be presented to the Turkish public as Turkey's own goodwill initiative and as evidence that Ankara wants to create momentum for normalization with Armenia and for some future breakthrough on Nagorno-Karabakh.

The second dimension of the Turkish strategy before 2015 should be to talk about 1915 in the context of what Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu calls “fair memory.” Davutoğlu wants to contextualize what happened in 1915 in the broader framework of a humanitarian disaster caused by a crumbling Ottoman Empire. In addition to Armenian sufferings, he wants to refer to the Turkish losses in the Balkans and Caucuses, millions of Muslims killed or uprooted from their lands before and during World War I, the losses at Gallipoli and Sarıkamış as “our shared tragedy.” Davutoğlu appears to be ready, as he indicated to a group of Turkish journalists last week, to show empathy for 1915 as long as the context is defined as a broader framework of a “shared tragedy,” where there is also Armenian empathy for Turkish losses.

Although problematic, this is a step in the right direction. Talking about a shared tragedy is better than denying what happened to Armenians in 1915. However, one thing should be clear: Unless there is an official Turkish apology for the tragedy of 1915 (no need to call it genocide), similar to the one Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan articulated for Dersim a few months ago, such a narrative about “fair memory” will fall on deaf ears.

It is simply unrealistic to expect Armenia to show much empathy for Turkish losses. After all, Armenia and Armenians are not responsible for the Turkish agony at Gallipoli, the Balkans and Ottoman losses during World War I. Yet, it is impossible to deny a Turkish sense of responsibility for the tragedy of 1915. What Turkey calls the deportation or relocation of Armenians may very well have been in reaction to a perceived sense of threat of Armenian nationalism. Yes, Armenians have also killed Turks. But “fair memory” requires an honest look at Anatolia today. We cannot come to terms with the total absence of Armenians in Eastern Anatolia today without an apology. Let's start thinking about 1915 and what can be done about 2015 before others start thinking for us.

COMMENTS
"cannot come to terms with the total absence of Armenians in Eastern Anatolia today without an apology"?? 2.5 million Muslims died, regular Armenian loss is 500.000, number given by Armenians 1.5 million is highly exaggerated, for there was only 1.2 million Armenian living in the population of Tur...
Tugba
What an excellent example to 2015 Armenian Propaganda attemps?! Now the world asks Armenia this question: when Armenia makes their genocide recognition a worlwide issue (for Armenians live in many different countries makes propagandas, impose ideas), why don't they care about the Khojaly Genocide th...
2015 Armenian Propaganda No:1
The Turkish government might organize a commission of historians under the auspices of a relevant international organization, and invite relevant historians. That the Armenians have refused to participate is no argument against doing this.
ragnar naess
ararat, your heroes were barking prior to 1915 as you, later they brought armenians humiliation in 1915.
ataman
Avery Are you proud of Armenian weekly that deletes the Turkish poster's comments constantly? Your who came first to Anatolia is hardly an argument. We clearly know that Armenian fired the first shot in order to agitate and create an Armenia in Turkey. It was the CUP's responsibility to stop it and ...
john the turk
Turkey has been indecent towards Armenians for the sake of not hurting the feelings of the ultra-nationalist refuse in its population. Under such circumstances, there is no substitute for continuous political pressure and the involvement of all of Turkey's allies.
Jack Kalpakian
[Ravan] and others who keep bringing up the Turkish suffering and killing of Turks by Armenians: Armenian irregulars did kill and murder Turk civilians. We are not denying it. And murdering civilians is never excusable. But your ancestors started the whole cycle of violence and bloodshed. Armenians ...
Avery
@Ararat (Masis in armenian) There could be even 15-20 millions armenians living in Anatolia in 1915, most of them were deported for well-known reasons, not mass murdered!, armenians living in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, USA, France and all over the world originated from that place. It was WWI, many other...
Ravan
Rat on Ararat """The statute of Andranik and other Armenian freedom fighters and heroes will once again cover the occupied Armenian territories in Turkey. It is just a matter of time.""" We are patiently waiting for you Armenians and we know that fact that you ferocious Armenians will invade Anatoli...
john the turk
@Ravan, it seems like you got your statistics from the place where sun don’t shine. In the beginning of the 20th century there were over 2 million Armenians in Eastern Anatolia and today there is none. They were all murdered and deported from their homeland of thousands of years. Go back just a few ...
Ararat
"We cannot come to terms with the total absence of Armenians in Eastern Anatolia today without an apology." ???? What about total absence of Turks in Armenia. In the beginning of 20th century more than half population of Armenia were turkish (may be checked by Russian Empire census of 1897). If Turk...
Ravan
@Sandokhan, you and janitor sherman should write a book together called "dumb and dumber" much like the movie. You can decide which one of you takes credit for the dumb part and which one for the dumber part. It can go either way but I would personally give the dumb credits to janitor sherman and th...
Ararat
Vartan TZ doesn't look like Armenian Weekly that deletes the comments of the Turkish posters constantly. Your advise TZ editors to block the General Sherman comments gives us a good idea Why Armenian weekly deletes my comments 7/24. So Armenians in general a century backward people compare to Turks....
john the turk
General Sherman, I want to applaud you for your efforts to battle the Armenian version of the history. You should write a book, publish it in 2015. After reading the article, I want to add those points: The author writes “no attempt is made at understanding why the whole world has a very different ...
Sandokhan
Defeated Ciracassian private Sherman: instead of posting a 10 part robosoftware generated nonsense filled with unsubstantiated citations from your selfgenerated imaginary nonhistory in the Comments, why dont you write a book and try to sell it to your close circle of denialist friends. You actua...
Avery
If Turkey expects the slightest concessions anywhere, it needs to silence those who openly advocate the destruction of even the small rump of Armenia left. Those arguing that Armenia is really the Khanate of Yerevan are basically saying that we do not have a right to exist. This is not a minority ...
Jack Kalpakianit
Deniz Ozyilmaz ! could you write with facts/proofs/dates/numbers, citings from independent sources ? the Answer is NO YOU CAN'T .
Armen
@Deniz Ozyilmaz, if I were you I would have myself committed ASAP. You must be suffering from delusions and wild hallucination. The country of Azerbaijan is as fake as the nation of Azerbaijan. It never existed in the history until 1918. It was invented and created as an artificial state to serve as...
Ararat
There is still no justice for the genocide committed against the Azerbaijani Turkish majority of Yerevan and Goyce Khanates of armenian-occupied West Azerbaijan. Yerevan and Goyce Turks were ethnically cleansed from their homeland after it was illegally occupied by armenian and russian terrorists. T...
Deniz Ozyilmaz
@john the turk, your entire history is based on lies. Everything you have was taken by force from the natives. You are foreigners in an occupied land. You are race annihilators and thieves. There is nothing in Turkey that's original in Turkish. We dont need your stinking apology. Brainwashed racist ...
Ararat
@JanitorSherman, keep amusing and humoring us with your fictions and delusional fallacies. I enjoy laughing at your psycho-babbling nonsense. These remarks are very interesting coming from someone like you who is not even Turkish. You are the descendent of the exiled Circassian criminals of the Nort...
Ararat
You are wrong. So-called "armenia" had an Azeri Turkish majority population until the 1950s when they were destroyed by Russian and Armenian thugs. In 1988 the remaining 350,000 Azeris of Yerevan were forrcefully removed from their homes and 450 were massacred by Russian and Armenian terrorism. This...
Serkan
I wish that what Mr. Taspinar is suggesting would come about, but I highly doubt it. The ultra-nationalists posting here actually serve to illustrate the problem, because it is thanks to them that Turkey cannot move positively on Armenian issues. The lack of Turkish movement justifies recourse to...
Jack Kalpakian
I absolutely can not believe that today's Zaman gives voice to such a misguided person like general Sherman ! If this was a religious issue , Christian Armenia would not have such warm relations with neighboring Muslim Iran , in Abkhazia , as well as in Lebanon , Syria , Iraq and so on . Let's remin...
Vartan
Hey General Sherman, you went from part 4 to part 6. Did you grade school education not properly teach you the order of numbers? But go on, go on.. I have my popcorn ready.
RVDV
It a shame for th moderator of this artifle to let an idiot as garbage sherman to post in here.
Orhan Cucukoglu
Few days ago an Armenian genocide survivor passed away.she was 104 years old.that will make her 7 years old at the time of the killings anddeportations.its ahame for Turkey not attemping to hear her story with its denialist policy for 97 years,yet its provided the killers of the innocent women and c...
Garo Avedis
General Sherman gets his 9 posts, that should just about be his quota for the summer- no. Come on Editors,please return him to his alternate reality at least until the fall.
general koofta
Mr. Taspinar ! The whole world knows the right history about what happened to the eastern Anatolia Armenians , inside your country that's not the case .in order to make room for the millions of Turks that were pushed out of the Balkans during the collapse of the ottoman empire , and make room and lo...
Vartan
This ignoramus 'General Sherman' makes so many racist statements. he does not want to educate himself but continues to make falsifications. Thanks to Mr Tospinar and many other Turkish fair minded persons we still have hope for justice.
ara
The Turkish government, slowly but surely, finding itself in a tight squeeze has once again resorted to insincere and underhanded tactics to muddy the waters and portray the government-sponsored, systematic and pre-planned annihilation of 1.5 million Armenian women and children and the destruction o...
Ararat
1. Thanks to the author for some fresh ideas, but indeed - so many German Nazis were killed during the WWII, do they deserve or who of them received just a word of apologies ?????? More than that - why we forget, that Jews were massacred and displaced from Poland, Czeckoslovakia, Hungary, France, Au...
Samvel Z. Harutyunyan
A well thought out and balanced proposal. What has happened in the past has happened. What will happen in the future is something we can all do something about. Let us have respect and empathy for eachother and go forward to resolve problems within our family of mankind. If nothing else - do it ...
Harry P.
A nice attempt by the writer (head and shoulders above what passes for 'debate' in Turkey regarding the Armenian genocide), but still falls short of the mark. Why would Armenians empathize with Turks for their 'losses' in the Balkans? You didn't 'lose' anything. The indeginous peoples of those regio...
Gavur
Turkish cowboy john the parrot change your tune
VTiger
Turkey has nothing to apologise to Armenians.Armenians deserved very well to be removed from Turkey by siding Russians and revolting their own government. They do not deserve to be treated friendly simply because they have managed to spread the Armenian genocide lies.They can not go to court but par...
john the turk
The forum's resident hateful nationalist-bigot shows up as predicted-General Sherman
Christoph
The Turkish public need to come to terms with The Armenian Genocide and not try to whitewash or belittle it by talking about their own suffering. Millions of German people died in the second world war, but jews do not have to feel sorry for them or express their sympathy. Turkey needs to recognise T...
Hrant
General Sherman are you so boring everywhere or only here ?
Arturo
It is a normal behavior to relocate people when they become a threat to the country's safety and security. When they revolted as their nationalist identities got raised, they started killing innocent Turkish, Kurdish people so Armenians also need to make an apology. It should be mutual apology not ...
Igor Donkisot
VTiger I will have to pull off your tail if you do not take your matter to court and ask Turkey to accept your fake genocide. You can not take your fake Armenian genocide to court because it is fake isn't it?
john the turk
Falsification of history will get you nowhere gs
Vartan
2015 can pass but we'll continue our struggle until Genocide is recognized
VTiger
Genocide should be recognized by Turkey similar to Dersim massacres.
VTiger
Pro-AKP propaganda among Democratic congressman in the U.S. Congress finished Mr. Taspinar? Sorry.Don't worth take Taşpinar's gibberish in serious. The Turkish - Armenian reconciliation was a very big mistake of our diplomacy for the last twenty years. I will disappoint our "long-suffering" neighbo...
Hunter
Mr. Taspinar, there are Armenians who openly favor keeping the border closed and waiting for the Russians to remove the regime in Tbilisi before talking to Turkey. Turkey has had many chances since 1991 to take the steps you suggest and it chose not to. My hunch is that it will not offer any apolo...
Jack Kalpakian
(continued) PART 10 After statehood was lost, Armenians turned to their genocide playbook which exploited Christian bigotries and contempt for Ottoman Muslims. They remembered earlier successful anti-Ottoman propaganda. United States Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the war, Henry Morgantha...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 9 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ bruce-fein/lies-damn-lies-and-armeni_b_ 211408.html (Remove the spaces.) "Lies, Damn Lies, and Armenian Deaths by Bruce Fein June 4, 2009 06:10 PM On April 24, 2009--Armenian Remembrance Day-- President Barack Obama issued a statement "rememb...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 8 Some more quality viewing/reading for you: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=yCYz3IigNE0 (Remove the spaces!) "Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University, at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on 3/25/2002 on ...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 7 "It is simply unrealistic to expect Armenia to show much empathy for Turkish losses." I should expect not! They have no such humanity or shame! "After all, Armenia and Armenians are not responsible for the Turkish agony at Gallipoli," No, only the Christian imperialists that...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 6 "The Turkish decision to establish a precondition for normalization with Armenia was shortsighted. Any attempt to pass the protocols will now be opposed by pro-Azerbaijani nationalist circles in Turkey on the grounds that no progress has been made in the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 4 "In less than three years, by 2015, Turkey will find itself in a similar dilemma. Once again, it will be external dynamics that will drive the domestic debate. Turkey will likely react in an acerbic and nationalist way to Western attempts at commemorating the centennial of the A...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 3 In reality, Turkiye's best course of action is to pass resolutions recognizing these TRUE genocides and passing resolutions demanding these countries recognize these genocides and pay compensation for them in land and money. Turkiye should convince a coalition of Muslim states ...
GeneralSherman
(continued) PART 2 As for your wanting to give them an "apology", I could only laugh. How about first... ...Armenia apologizes for its far more egregious genocide against hundreds of thousands of Turks and other Ottoman Muslims. ....Russia apologizes for its role in the far more egregious genocid...
GeneralSherman
PART 1 Seriously, are you out of your mind? Do you think us Turks should have just stood around and let the Armenians murder us and take our land? I don't know what your agenda is, I don't know who you've been talking to or have been getting brainwashed by, but you have an entirely wrong read on ...
GeneralSherman
Completely agree. The official denial has dragged on too long, time to express some contrition.
Christoph
It would nice to see Nagorno-Karabakh resolved peacefully along with normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations by 2015. Azerbaijan is a key ally both politically and economically for Turkey so they may not want to risk their relations with Azerbaijan. Peace on all sides would be great.
BJS
God Bless you! You are an honest man and a righteous Turk. My father?s grandfather was a lieutenant in the Ottoman Army; he fought in the two Balkan Wars and was decorated for his bravura. He also fought in Sarakamish Battle and two of his brothers died defending the Ottoman lands against the Russi...
Araratian
beware Mr ÖMER TAŞPINAR. necatic, general sherman, and the rest of the same ilk will be calling for your blood, as to have shared this opinion, you certainly must have Armenian blood in you and thus you are a traitor. Thanks for sharing your view.
atm
hi im an armenian and i dont want to say whos right and whos wrong but put the difrences aside i wish we could be freind and live in peace after all we all die so why not live in peace than hatered (there is a judjement day there we pay for our action and nobody can escape from that)
fred
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