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JOOST LAGENDIJK
J.lagendijk@todayszaman.com

Will Putin listen to Erdoğan?

This Wednesday Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan together with Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu will fly to Moscow for a one-day visit. They are planning to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss the situation in Syria in general and the downed Turkish jet in particular.



On the last issue, one can only hope that the Russians are willing to fully share their information on what happened to the fighter jet. It is clear that both the Russians and the Americans know more about the incident, but with each passing day the jet crash is becoming more embarrassing for the Turkish government. Either the government still doesn’t really know what happened, which means that Turkish intelligence is not up to par and Turkey’s friends in Moscow and Washington, at least until now, have kept their data for themselves, or Erdoğan and Davutoğlu do know in the meantime what took place but have a big problem in squaring their initial remarks (based on apparently wrong information provided by the Turkish army and intelligence services) with the reality they discovered later on.

Of course the Moscow visit is not only about the lost Turkish fighter jet. The Turkish leaders will also try to convince Putin that the time has come for the Russians to give up their support for Bashar al-Assad’s regime. Last Friday, during a meeting of the Friends of Syria, Davutoğlu declared that the international community “should increase the pressure on the Syrian regime and those who support that regime.” The most prominent backing for Assad comes from Russia and China. Will the pressure work? Will Russia be willing to give up on its “red lines” on a new UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution that is currently being negotiated in New York? The UNSC has to pass a resolution by July 20, two days after Erdoğan’s visit to Moscow, because the 90-day mandate for the nearly 300 unarmed UN monitors in Syria runs out. Western countries have demanded further sanctions against Assad under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. Russia and China are firmly against this.



Will Putin take Erdoğan’s support for tougher measures seriously? Forget about it, says Michael Ignatieff, a prominent Canadian author, academic and former politician known for his sometimes provocative defense of liberal values in foreign policy. Last week, Ignatieff wrote a strongly worded blog on the website of the New York Review of Books in which he basically advanced the thesis that the Syrian conflict has triggered a more fundamental confrontation between Western democracies on the one hand and Russia and China on the other.

Ignatieff describes the two post-communist countries as authoritarian states that will support tyrannies like Syria wherever it is in their interest to do so. According to the Canadian author, Russia and China don’t see conflicts like the one in Syria through the prism of international peace and human rights like the US, the EU and Turkey do and will therefore not hesitate to keep supporting Assad.

Conclusion: Forget about Russian or Chinese help in the creation of a post-Assad transition. Moscow and Beijing are simply not interested and believe that history is on their side. They see the West as weak and in crisis and believe that in the end they will win this battle for dominance because their power is not limited by domestic democratic checks and balances.



One could argue about some of the sweeping statements made by Ignatieff and the lack of any criticism on America and Europe regarding their past dealings with dictators in the Middle East and elsewhere. But he does have a point when it is about Russian intransigence. How long should the other UNSC members wait for the Russians to come on board? Was Kofi Annan right when he tried to save his plan for Syria by attempting to secure Chinese and Iranian support?



According to some analysts, the end game in Syria has started and the question is not if but when Assad will have to go. As the tragedy in Syria is unfolding, those countries supporting the Syrian opposition, like Turkey, should seriously consider whether they really expect any constructive contribution from Moscow and Beijing -- both now and after Assad’s palace has gone up in flames.

COMMENTS
Putin listen to Erdogan? That was a funny joke. LOL.
Annika
The right question would be Will Erdogan listen to Putin? You in TZ always tend to grant Turkey a much more importance than it really has.
Araratian
Dear Mr Lagendijk, I suggest you consentrate on tulips, and leave the affairs of Turkey to those more familiar with the convoluted minds of the Orientals. The trouble with the "Greens" like you, has always been their visceral hate of their own countries and their fascination with all that is bizzare...
nicky stern
The visit only will give more credibility to Putin, whom already looks like a winner by all acounts since the uprising began in Syria. Remember:- Russia cares only for Russia('s benefits) and it's present in the region. Which in the long run will target Turkey.Thus events in Syria will affect Turkey...
STAT
I have another question. WHo listens to Joost. No one.
Meat
Turkey needs Russia far more than Russia needs Turkey. There is not an export or market Turkey has that Russian can not find elsewhere, but Turkey desperately needs Russian markets for it's goods. Erdogan has no leverage when dealing with Putin, the Russian leader has almost all the leverage.
Christoph
'Will Putin listen to Erdogan' - No. Who does? - not Azerbaijan, not Iraq , no Iran, not Germany, not Greece, not China, etc I am afraid PM Erdogan has barked too often; so is not taken seriously outside of Turkey any longer.
No
Lets try to remember what happened with Libya in order to find a reasonable explanation about current russian behavior.While Gaddafi was in power, his country was a major customer for russian products. The industrial and military imports were reaching very high numbers.Today after Gaddafi's overthro...
Chris Athens
Mr. LAGENDIJK It is really surprising to see that you are not standing up against the war scenario, which has consciously ben created by external powers. History has proofed that changing a regime is not like a fashion. It doesn?t happen soon after the changing of power. Most particularly, democracy...
DenizCan
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