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22 May 2013 Wednesday
 
 
 
 
 
 
Columnists 17 May 2012, Thursday 36 0 0 0
ORHAN KEMAL CENGİZ
o.cengiz@todayszaman.com

Greek radio, Greek properties

When something develops in a slow and hesitant way, we here in Turkey call it Mehter Marşı (Jannisary band, or an Ottoman-style military marching band). The Ottoman Janissary band had a very peculiar way of advancing.

When they took two steps forward, they would immediately take one step back. This is, of course, quite a slow way of walking, slower than a group who take one step forward at a time. The walking style of the Janissaries makes the whole process slower.

I believe the advancement of minority rights in Turkey resembles the slow march of the Janissaries. There are, of course, so many positive developments happening in the country, but these positive developments have limitations; they are shadowed by very well known “nasty” reactions  that aim to expel non-Muslims from this country.

What made me think of this? I recently read two interesting pieces of news related to citizens of Greek descent in Turkey. One is hopeful; the other is like a nightmare.

First, the good news. After decades we have the first Rum (Anatolian Greek) radio station, Iho Tis Polis (ITP, or “Echo of the City”) broadcasting from İstanbul. ITP started out broadcasting from its website http://radio.ihotispolis.com. Andreas Rombopulos, founder of the station, told Bianet that they now have 5,000 listeners from 58 different countries, ranging from South Africa to Canada, in addition to, of course, Turkey and Greece.

ITP is on air 24 hours a day, and five times daily broadcasts news related to the Rum community in Turkey. Rombopulos states that ITP has received thousands and thousands of messages from enthusiastic listeners all over the world. This radio station is, of course, quite a hopeful development, indicating that the whole atmosphere in Turkey is changing and that non-Muslims are starting to see a future for themselves in Turkey once more.

Well, if this development makes me quite hopeful, another story makes me sick and pessimistic again. Lets read it from Bianet:

“It has been reported that upon an incident whereby a Rum citizen intended to buy property in Gökçeada (Imbros) however encountered problems about it, measures concerning Gökçeada and Bozcaada (Tenedos) have been removed upon the Ministry of Interior letter of 09.01.2012 with no: 14899.

“Attorney Erhan Pekçe who follows up the process highlighted the petition of the Legal Advisor’s Office at Directorate General of Title Deed and Cadastre which contained the following statement: ‘There are National Security Council decisions, inter-ministerial protocols and many administrative regulations concerning Gökçeada and Bozcaada.’

“It all began when Attorney Pekçe witnessed an engaged couple from Gökçeada applying title deed directorate to buy a property.

“A Young woman’s father wanted to buy a property for the young couple so that they could build a house on it in the future and he also wanted to register it in the name of his daughter. However he was told that it would take years because they were Rum but if the property was to be registered in the name of the young man than the procedures would be completed in a short time.

“The legislative process has begun after Pekçe, who heard about the matter by coincidence, visited the title deed Office. Pekçe explains as follows what he has observed in the title deed office: ‘They said when a Rum citizen applies we refer him to Regional Directorate which then refers them to Foreigners Department, to National Intelligence. This process sometimes takes even two years and sometimes they are rejected. We have related documents for that. Two applicants were rejected for example’… Erhan Pekçe filed a lawsuit at the Bursa Administrative Court to have the decision lifted and to receive a reply. This time, the First Legal Counsellor of the Directorate General for Title Deed and Cadastre in Ankara sent a note to the court referring to the law on acquisition of property by foreigners… Pekçe, who won the case, stated that Rums were citizens of the Republic of Turkey.

“The lawsuit won by Pekçe at the local court is now pending appeal.”

You see, old habits die hard, in spite of so many hopeful developments. I really hope that we will put this Janissary walk aside and give full rights to our non-Muslim citizens soon. To find a little consolation, I am now giving my full attention to the wonderful music of Iho Tis Polis emanating from my computer.

COMMENTS
Dear MINE Thanks for your long comment.I admire your sincerity, your courage, your dauntless insistence on denouncing injustices, your generosity and loving stance towards all humans. I understand that it is very disturbing for you to see some of your compatriots, portraying themselves in the forum...
anastasia
anastasia, I also appreciate your honest and well meaning comments too.
Baris
'anastasia" you are so Right. Every time my brother Orhan Kemal Cengiz writes an article that has absolutely Nothing to do with the Armenians, "necati" and "satrap" chime in and start their silly charade against the Armenians, and always in a childish way. "gensherman" does the same, however, he doe...
Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi
BARIS Congratulations for your honesty and straightforwardness. You do honour to Turkey and Turks.The recognition of discrimination and injustices against non-ethnic Turks, does not logically imply-as some people in the forum think- that discrimination and injustices that turkish minorities have und...
anastasia
AA, your post doesn't answer my question at all. On the contrary, it endorses my arguments, which were that some of us Turks try to justify the sufferings of our minorities by referring to the sufferings of the Turkish minorities elsewhere, which is exactly what you are doing. Mr Cengiz isn't tellin...
Baris
AliA -- Islam is used by nationalists in Turkey as an identity without regard to its contents. As to what true Islam is, who should I ask -- Gulen, Khamieni or the Mufti of Saudi Arabia? Who do you recommend?
Jack Kalpakian
I have been participating in this forum for some months and i am absolutely stupefied by some commentators' TOTAL LACK OF ELEMENTARY LOGIC. They never focus on the subject, they never comment on its content, they arbitrarily choose to comment on a fictitious content, which is the illogical product...
anastasia
The Azerbaijani community of Yerevan-Goyce-Armenia has been entirely annihilated while the Turkish community of Greece has been ruined socially and economically by Greek state' fascist policies. Comparatively, minorities in Turkey are among the wealthiest citizens and are prospering. In light of tha...
Ayhan
To Baris, because while minorities in Turkey are among the wealthiest and most successful citizens of Turkey, the Turkish community of Armenia has been completely destroyed, and the Turkish community of Greece has been economically and socially incapacitated through deliberate policies of Greek soc...
AA
Instead of dealing with Turkey and Greece, it would not become dependent on foreign ilgilenseydin now
ottoman
Only Sherman, Necati and their multiple personalities could drag an article about Greeks buying property in Anatolia into a debate about "Terrorist Armenia". You forgot about the Forbes ranking of the Armenian economy, lol. Come on guy(s), go outside and get some air. Stop obsessing over Armenian pe...
Gavur
Cont. But the biggest lie unveiled that covers the others like a huge invisible dome is the lie that the “Turkish people” did not commit a genocide against the Armenians and other Christian people of this land, because it is the foundation on which all other lies were built.
Saaten Maagar
Cont. The military coup of 1980 and the period that followed—the reign of terror—was from top to bottom the embodiment of a lie. The military had taken over power for the good of the nation. Executions, people dying through torture, prisons full of people, these were all for the good of the Turkish ...
Saaten Maagar
Ayse Gunaysu writes: The lie continued to be central in the foundation myths of the Republic of Turkey. The notorious “war of liberation” of 1919-22 was also built and sustained on deception. It was presented as a national uprising for independence; yet, the declared war against the Allied powers se...
Saaten Maagar
A well written and factual column. My congratulations. People not afraid of the truth may want to read up on Gökçeada (Imbros) and Bozcaada (Tenedos) These 2 beautiful islands were colonized by the ancient Greeks thousands of years ago.Borders and countries have changed and continue to change such ...
simplesimon
Thank you Mr Cengiz for caring about the rights and histories of the indigenous peoples of Turkey (as well as your own people), who given the opportunity to flourish could advance the Country to new levels of prosperity and co-operation not seen since the Renaissance era. Turkey has a "date" with de...
David-usa
@Ayten Turks were as you said the Majority in places like Crete and many parts of the Balkans. You are referring to the Ottoman Empire no doubt. Before the Ottomans however were the Romans and Greeks my friend. The Greeks took back what was originally taken from them by the invading Ottoman Empire. ...
simplesimon
Jack, as usual, you have got the wrong end of the stick. If Turkish Republic (Turkiye Cumhuriyeti) was a true Muslim country, the minorities would not have suffered; it is in the teachings. Educate yourself by studying true Islam. Minorities suffer only in a Psudo-Muslim state. Peace and understandi...
AliA
@Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi, thank you and full marks to you for pointing the right path to these brainwashed kids. To them it is OK to commit genocide against the Armenian citizens because Americans committed genocide against native Americans or some harm was done to Turks in some part of Armenia or G...
Baran
"gensherman" I will, and my Armenian husband is a beautiful human being, who loves All (and has long forgiven the leaders of our past governments), including those responsible for the murder of 90 plus of his immediate Bagrationi family. CEMIL33: Armenia is home to 40,000 Yezidis and 3,000 Alevis. T...
Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi
I wonder why always Turkey is being asked to give rights to foreigners and being accused for protecting its soveirgnity. I have never heard an armenian is having self critisizm for the hodjali genocide against Azeri Turks or a Greek jornalist following Turkish minority rights in western Thrace of Gr...
Meryem Yılmaz
Every time a columnist points out the injustices the minorities of Turkey suffer, and there are many, some of us are quick to use the injustices the Turks or Turkic people suffer in other countries, as a justification for the sufferings of the minorities in Turkey. What is it in this article, for in...
Baris
Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi, ask your armenian husband why this book is banned in armenia: http://www.turkishpac.org/pdfs/ KachaznuniEnglish.pdf ? (remove the space between "pdfs/" and "KachaznuniEnglish")
GeneralSherman
Hats off and cudos to Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi. An awesome post reflecting inner awareness, tolerance, self respect and humanism. Regards
Thessalonian
Thank you Deniz!
AliA
People, who genuinely care about justice, like you Orhan, are bound to navigate permanently between hope and despair. Because human societies suffer from a mental gravity, they don't easily move upward, hostages of various chains, including those of the historical past.. Let's greet the'Iho tis pol...
anastasia
@kalpakian armenia is wholly christian country, so there is no problem if turkey wholly muslim
CEMIL33
It is about time that we acted responsibly and with prudence, if we want the world community to respect us as regional power. However, the way we are acting, sometimes and all the times is tantamount to immaturity. Let us be honest with ourselves, we have been restricting the movement of Greeks in o...
Mine Ozcelik Bagrationi
Turks were once a majority in Crete, West Thrace, and the 12 Islands before the Genocide of Turks by Greek bandists and the terrorist Greek state. Where are their rights and properties? Azeri Turks were the MAJORITY population of so-called 'armenia' until 1955. In 1987-88 the last remaining Azeri Tu...
Ayten
(continued) We will focus on the rights of those subject to real genocides and discrimination by Greek and Armenian terrorism and not on fictitious stories of so-called "discrimination" against minorities in Turkey which are not only false, but are treated too tollerantly compared to how the Turkic-...
Orhan
Between 1917 and 1988 over 500,000 Azeri Turks were forcefully expelled from their homes and properties in Irevan and Zengezur regions of West Azerbaijan by Russian and Armenian terrorists. The Irevan Government-in-Exile, Movement for the Return of West Azerbaijan, Irevan Liberation Organization, et...
Orhan
An excellent analogy, except that the two steps forwards are precisely those designed to compel the Gavur to leave, and they are still working quite well. Put mildly, it is now only a matter of time before Turkey becomes a wholly Muslim country, and for all practical purposes -- it already is. The...
Jack Kalpakian
It's a shame 'Rum' citizens have to resort to EU courts to get justice in Turkey, but it is what it is. When Turkish officials stop being bigoted the court cases will stop. Not before then.
Christoph
Turkish radio, Turkish properties in Greece and Armenia...KARABAGH belongs to Azerbaijan .Aliev should start a military movement to take Karabagh back from terrorist armenia who has invaded it for 20 years ilegally.What does he wait for? nothing beyond death!
necati genis
the Turkish community in West Thrace cannot even call itself Turkish and they cannot enter (let anlone buy property) in "restricted zones" despite being "Greek citizens". If descendents of Cretan or Mora Turks wish to visit the old properties mosques, and villages of their families, they would be un...
Deniz
"The Greeks of Turkey: Is It Too Late?" Greekcurrent.com
Paul
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